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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:56:26 -
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MASSADEATH wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:MASSADEATH wrote:come on a corm sniping fleet :) and it will cure your doubts ah yes the cormorant with its staggering 80-100km range Combat probes will land it in engagement range every time. 100km is plenty when you land within 50-70km of your target. combat probes show up on dscan the interceptor gets to disengage before you even start aligning for warp in your slow ass destroyers DO YOU GUYS EVEN PVP? are you telling me you are incapable of killing ceptors? you just alpha them off the grid.... lock target.... POP..... ceptor gone.... heck you even know the max range of where they have to be around a given structure... Sheesh, why worry so much?
You don't even have sov, rather, you get to be the one with the interceptors.
Oh I see, you want things left as is so you get to use the interceptors. Clever use of the discussion
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:59:19 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Glad to hear it. Not that you did of course... as that was far from it's primary point. But you knew that already didn't you? A little secret... so does everyone else. nah, your post was "you want good fights yet you do all this crap that prevents you from getting them thus you are a hypocrite" when good fights are not really on our list of desires Remember the whole ncdot in fountain, only going where there's action, ie: backto grind their renter space after sovdrop?
Yeahhh
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:07:49 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Jaiimez Skor wrote:Ilaister wrote:While brawling doctrines would be far from optimal I think the HIC will see a fair bit of use as an Entosis platform from smaller groups.
Bubble up to hopefully catch reinforcements you're not getting reps anyway. TBH I think you're more likely to see brick tanked Damnations and Proteus' with 600k+ EHP (even after the HP nerf for T3's a proteus will get 600/700k ehp if brick tanked). As far as ways of fixing the concern of snaked out "trollceptors" then maybe as well as remote reps have a reduction to the effectiveness of propulsion mods, I disagree with disabling propulsion mods, but say a 60% reduction in the efficiency of propulsion module speed boosts should be plenty, so instead of doing 7km/s it'll only do about 4/4.5 which is easily cachable. this is one of many options that would discourage the use of interceptors as the primary vehicle for contesting sov however since ccp refuses to commit to any one of these, we are forced to assume that they aren't coming So... this thread has no point but to lightning rod from the other thread that' nearing 200pages?
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:25:26 -
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Is that what the command nodes are called now, sov pimples?
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:27:59 -
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Sigras wrote:To the people stating that trollceptors dont matter because you can counter them with a friendly entosis link...
Picture this Scenario
I have a fleet of 300 coming to capture your system after we reinforced it last night, but I dont like Fozzie's idea of splitting my fleet up to capture command nodes in different systems... So i allocate 20 of my ships as trollceptors. I send 4 of them to each command node to prevent it from being captured and move my other 260 people around capping the modules one by one. No need to split up my fleet, no risk of loss. So,,, you're blobbing, you're blobbing...
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:38:25 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:like i am basically repeating the same thing over and over because y'all keep circling around these same few talking points without actually refuting what i am saying
i could set up a perl script to win the thread at this point You'd be banned for forum botting
So you'd lose the thread
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:03:39 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:If a single inty can take sovereignty uncontested, it's probably an unused system the defender shouldn't have sovereignty over anyways....working as intended? How far can one inty go in 12 minutes when they are alerted to you RFing?
we aren't even into the "lost sov object" phase of the discussion yet but thank you for your off-topic contribution laced with talking points about unused sov These talking points are the best
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:11:15 -
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MASSADEATH wrote:fleet report of what the current SOV meta creates.... http://scanner.black-legion.us/index.php?ino=161760 it just rolled thru our home system of 5z and RF'd a bunch of structures a few min ago. how is that meta anymore unfair than the fear of troll ceptors? and the possible new SOV mechanics that are being discussed? at the end of the day..the old mechanics must die , and new ones at least given a chance... If these large groups are as good as they say they are , they should be able to withstand anything... so why even worry? But you live in npc, not sov space? Wait are you crying because things in your home are being shot?
You definitely want to troll sov, not hold it.
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:18:32 -
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northern associates will trashtalk in local if you rf their stuff
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:21:32 -
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Maybe the point is no one can hold sov at all.
It would sure shake up something
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:29:36 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:MASSADEATH wrote: No I think it opens up options to smaller groups... perhaps on the level of... you roll thru our SOV with your blob fleet.... we RF 20 of your systems ..basically an eye, for 2 legs a hand and 2 ears
you don't have sov, and still won't that said it is hilarious how much you're whining over your pos getting sieged If moa can kick us out of our sov, then one doubts they can avoid being kicked out of it themselves...
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:31:55 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: What we have now is a bore-off. How can this new system be any worse? We're already at 100% at the boredometer for stagnant null and structure shoots.
our discussion is not about if this or dominion is better, it's if this system is better with or without bore-offs. we are discussing how to improve this system and given that you agree that bore-offs are bad it seems we should both agree that "well you can counter this by doing something equally or more boring so nobody has fun" is not really a great design philosophy Bore-offs are amazing. If more of sov was like that then perhaps there would be less sov
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:37:27 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote: Paying the pilots from the war chest to be active in these systems is out of the question?
why would we want the game to reward unfun bore-offs where you have to pay people to play the game All it means is that to kill the coalitions you need to nerf their income so that the bore-offs will lead to their bankrupcy and then collapse
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:39:37 -
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No one really cares... the bar will have to be set pretty low to allow the moa 0.0 fantasy to occur
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:44:09 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:unfortunately for you they are objectively correct Please remind me how your 42 minutes orbitting a structure in your trollceptor isn't undone by 12 minutes of me in a maulus? Oh right, we wrecked you a few pages back, why come back for more? your argument is now "well sure its a bore-off but the defender has a little bit of an advantage in the bore-off" that is conceding the point, thank you for playing sounds like the attacker has the advantage, they move first, and when they leave, the defending side (if they were using a link) has to wait out their cycle. so the attacker again moves first...
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:47:20 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:All these proponents of the system keep thinking in terms of a 1v1. "I counter your off-grid boosted trollceptor with my Cerberus and my cyno alt in a Maulus."
Yes, Dominion sovereignty might not be perfect, but it is a damn site better than the above. The offensive power of Fozzie Sovereignty is completely out of balance. The defender has to be able to defend everywhere, but has no opportunity to fortify or entrench his position.
Some might say, "but the same thing will happen now!" This is simply untrue. For one, in Dominion, the offense has to commit significant assets to stage an attack. Yes, if someone brings fifty supers to the fight, A may have a problem. But if fifty supers come to the fight, A can request help from friendly alliance C and we get a big fight, or a massive blue-ball fest (that at least has the advantage of only being once, not every day). In Fozzieland, if C tries to help A against B, D will entosis C's stuff. And don't forget that anyone who comes to help probably gets Space Aids. Thank you, Fozzie. Your example is flawed for several reasons: 1.) Small alliance A doesn't hold space in the current sov system. Perhaps big brother coalition C gives them a system (for a fee), but they will never truly own space unless they themselves can bring a huge force to attack. 2.) Alliance A is the underdog, and will lose space against bigger B. So what. They can then attempt to take it back, especially if alliance B doesn't bother to utilize it. Currently, if Big Bad Alliance B takes your sov, you can't do **** about it. 3.) With the 48 hour reinforcement window, Alliance A can call in all the backup they want. It's only a minor change in tactics for them to have an alliance A member in each backup fleet. (1) Alliance A can hold space in the current system, with big brother coalition C's support. The fee is paid in military service. (2) Then how are small alliances going to gain a foothold? They cannot. They will get roflstomped by anyone large enough to want to destroy their stuff. (3) Alliance A calls for backup from Alliance C. Alliance C moves pilots over. Now honorable third parties D, E, and F, join the fun and hit C's space while they are away. D, E, and F risk nothing, because they come from NPC space or low sec. Or from a coalition so large that it can send off a bunch of pilots during prime time. In short, you will have a lot of stuff burn after this patch. Nothing will be rebuilt. Coalitions will hold the money moons and one or two critical areas where they continue to build supercapitals. Everyone else will get burned out of space in short order. Low sec and NPC nullsec are the real beneficiaries of the new system. The existing coalitions will become larger and more powerful, but 0.0 space on the whole will be more empty. Unless of course, 800k new subscribers suddenly decide to start playing tomorrow and the PCU goes up to 100k. Which all trends indicate won't happen. In the current system, there is only one way small alliances hold space: They are serfs to larger groups. They pay with military service, rental agreements, or whatever. But they have NO ABILITY to stand on their own with the current mechanics. In the new system, small alliances can attack unused systems and break down an overstretched alliances hold. They might not even bother "claiming" the space, but simply live there and continually prevent big alliance form using it. Sure, they might periodically lose there space at the whims of big bully alliance B, but that's no different than now. The difference is they can actually attack sov without bluing half the galaxy. Are you really complaining that alliance C has to weigh the risks of third partying a distant fight with their own home defense? That's a great thing for them to have to consider, and if alliance A has their space rolled because they can't bring in a big brother to help defend their space, that is also a good thing! So that's the role of small groups, being the sov trolls.
It was better when we though the NPC drifters would do it, they won't get tired
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:49:56 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote: Paying the pilots from the war chest to be active in these systems is out of the question?
why would we want the game to reward unfun bore-offs where you have to pay people to play the game I find blowing people up to be very fun. me too, which is why i am arguing for a system where that happens instead of the pinnacle of combat being who gets bored first, the uncatchable interceptor or the disposable e-war Hmm, so I guess we can train the next group of newbies to be sov defense ewar?
They would get to run around and contribute to defending the home
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:51:12 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:MASSADEATH wrote:Sougiro Seta wrote:What MASSADEATH pretends is somehow like Cuba invading USA. You blame a group of people for being more organized, more rich and, basically, more people than your group. you are not more organized lol hahahaha what.
Ok ok sure. I will bow to your 0.0 fantasy
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:54:05 -
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Acuma wrote:It seems like the goons story is going from "It's overpowered and we'll burn down null with trollceptors" to "it's a boring stalemate where the attacker wastes a ton of time compared to the defender and we don't like it." Is that about right? Nope, it's the same.. the attacker has advantage.
so moa will end our 0.0 dream, and everyone else will also end everyone else's 0.0 fantasy
this will give birth to ccp's 0.0 vision
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:02:21 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:i mean really, everyone arguing in favor of trollceptors is doing one of the following:
1) we should get to contest sov risk-free, because its not fair i don't have a sov system and i never will have one if my ships might blow up
2) i do not understand how to kill an interceptor because those aren't used for mining or missioning in highsec, so here is my theorycrafted nonsense
3) i do not value my time at all and don't understand why anyone else does: who doesn't want a bore-off?
like there's not a single post defending them that doesn't fit into one of those three Take the limit:
If one person could take down all sov, then:
A. Boat would end everyone's sov B. massadeath would end our sov
and then, well... our 0.0 dream would be over. Doesn't matter if everyone else's 0.0 fantasy is also over because we'd be ended.
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:03:25 -
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MASSADEATH wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Acuma wrote:It seems like the goons story is going from "It's overpowered and we'll burn down null with trollceptors" to "it's a boring stalemate where the attacker wastes a ton of time compared to the defender and we don't like it." Is that about right? no part of your arguments have any merit and all are very, very obviously from someone who has never placed a ship at risk of dying and is probably mining veldspar at this very moment what i am merely doing is saying "even if we assume everything you say is true, then look, it's still garbage" like, the best case scenario is that it's an unfun bore-off, just with a minor advantage to the defender UNFUN? undoing all of CFC and goon sov.... while endlessly sov trolling your area of influence into smaller and smaller chunks? while collecting all the goon PVE tears? as your your ratters lose ratting space area, and then start to fight who gets to rat where...and SMA is ratting in my area...and TNT is not defending this or that ? and then so and so ect ect ... THAT IS PURE GOLD I cannot think of a better way to spend the next 2 years grinding CFC /Goons down in a battle of the wills. hopefully the area is flooded with like minded people that will realize they too can troll the CFC/goons as well.... GOLD..PURE GOLD AWW YEAH
Now again with even more FEELING!!!! You know you can do it, fozzie sov will give you the power to do it!!
End their 0.0 dream!!!
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:05:44 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Point being, your entire organization doesn't need to be trying to kill interceptors constantly, just devote the necessary number of ships to keep an Entosis point on your important stuff. If you can't do that, scale back a bit until you can.
the fact that we can easily do exactly this is immaterial to the point The fact that your are complaining bitterly about the need to do this is very material to the point. Why would you care if others are unwilling to do so? That's not your problem. Its not their own space they worry about, its their rented space. Currently hundreds of renters dock up when 5-man gang in T1 ships shows up 3 systems away, and stay docked until the gang leaves. If the gang comes back with their whole alliance fleet of 50 and reinforces the system, the slumlords first try to buy the attackers off, then CTA their entire coalition, hire PL and a random wannabe pet alliance, batphone another coalition and blob the final timer. Renters stay docked up. In the new system that 5-man gang takes the sov unless the renters undock and drive them away. Renters go back to hisec. ISK stops flowing to the blob. Blob leaders need to find daytime jobs. This is why you see goons blobbing these threads, the suggested sov 2.0 breaks their modus operandi, by forcing the local entity to respond to immediate pvp threats with pvp. PVP is not why renters are in null, they pay slumlords so they can fully focus on ratting. In sov 2.0, pvp is the reason to be in null. If all renters disappeared it's good. Other groups depend more on it than we do. But you know this already.
It is of course irrelevant once our 0.0 dream is ended by MOA in a fit of HOT BLOODED SOVTROLLING leading to DEATH OF 0.0 dream
YEAHHHH
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:06:52 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:The important piece that you are missing is that unless the small alliance goes through the logistical pain in the ass that is bringing in freighter sized sov upgrades that system that they took is literally useless to them. Without the sov upgrades they cannot even earn hisec level income, and replacing freighter sized sov upgrades every time big bully alliance B decides to kick down their sandcastle is not really an enjoyable activity for anyone. So yeah, under fozziesov I guess you 'could' take sov as you described but unless you are a masochist why would you want to. Yes, it's mutually assured sovtrolling
everyone ends everyone else's 0.0 fantasy. nearly everywhere is unclaimed and unihubbed, or close enough
a barren farm and a burnt down field. it's beautiful
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:08:13 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:...all that fits... how about an inty going >4000 with a 10mn afterburner...good luck tracking that There's apparently other ships that go even faster... but shrug, they don't get interdiction nullification which is probably the key i guess
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:09:06 -
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Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:https://i.imgur.com/dZoUBJK.jpg 45 DPS at 124km, your interceptor is dead in under a minute (55.5 seconds, yes I did the math) It's also a fifth the cost. Your move. please do not post fits that only kill the interceptor inside of a very short, narrow range where the interceptor would not be in any even remotely plausible pvp scenario basically only post RLML fits, and even then i hope you have 200km+ range "look at the graph it has a point this is where I can guarantee a ship to be at all times" Maulus damps well past any max ceptor lockrange. Can damp 4 trollceptors at once. One cycle --> GG sov lazor. [Insert inevitable "I don't want to have to cycle my ewar module once to lol-troll a bunch of ceptors" comment] /thread interceptor disengages, finds another target it is like you are fundamentally unable to conceive of a situation where there is more than one objective at play even an alliance owning a single system can have up to three Your objective is to spend 20-30 minutes in an active system to waste about 2-4 minutes of the defender and nothing else? Have fun with that.....I will enjoy the countless man hours wasted by these supposed "burn down all of nullsec trollceptors!" wait, i thought moa was going to end our 0.0 nightmare and it was terrifying us...
is that not the case anymore?
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:10:19 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:MASSADEATH wrote: UNFUN? undoing all of CFC and goon sov.... while endlessly sov trolling your area of influence into smaller and smaller chunks?
while collecting all the goon PVE tears?
well i mean you've already admitted there's no chance this is going to happen with having to place even a single ship at risk so what you're basically saying is that you think this system is so unbalanced that you guys, a collection of poorly-organized pilots who flee in terror from a fight, think you could clear the most occupied region of the game basically, post type 1: you know you can't ever win when there's the possibility you lose, so you want to have ccp make sure you can't possibly lose however while making these posts you need to remember when i'm responding to a post type 2 ("how does interceptors work" or post type 3 ("what is a bore-off i don't understand how someone's time can be worth anything") i'm explaining why different things are wrong so you can't just cherry-pick something from there and drop it in here what those people are arguing (including one guy who used to be in moa and found that so shameful he's now in an n3 pet) is that trollceptors are actually too boring to use so nobody will use them. i'm saying they will. you're trying to put their words in my mouth Worst case scenario: No one but goons bothers, we end everyone else's 0.0 dream
Second-best case: everyone bothers, everyone's 0.0 dream is ended
??? Case: no one bothers; status quo (except with more interceptors)
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:12:16 -
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How cute, actually thinking this is properly going to be read with all these posts spewing in.
It's like sovtrolling, you gotta be on all the Post Nodes
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:13:14 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:also fyi the timer can only be 40 minutes if the system has an industrial index of 5
there are no regions in the game with an average industrial index above one except providence Something about mining....
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:15:31 -
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Hoshi wrote:Yes defending your sov should take commitment BUT attacking sov needs to be an equal commitment. Any system that allows someone to troll sov with no commitment and minimal danger is a broken system. Change your 0.0 dream to "ending everyone else's 0.0 dream"
Join moa in npc null and then end our 0.0 nightmate. Then claim victory and run mordus missions for pancake ships
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:16:49 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:Your objective is to spend 20-30 minutes in an active system to waste about 2-4 minutes of the defender and nothing else? Have fun with that.....I will enjoy the countless man hours wasted by these supposed "burn down all of nullsec trollceptors!"
no, the attacking interceptor gets to disengage within 2m of getting caught for the basic math challenged, 2 minutes is a lot shorter time than 20-30 minutes For the basic Math challenged: Ceptor is on minute 38 of his sov lazor. Maulus warps in, damps, warps off. Ceptor never picks up sov lazor again. the fact that you are resorting to such a restricted, unrealistic vignette is betraying your desperation So basically... our 0.0 dream won't be ended by moa after we damp them a few times?
No, this can't be... massadeath promised it would be over...
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Jenn aSide wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:MASSADEATH wrote: UNFUN? undoing all of CFC and goon sov.... while endlessly sov trolling your area of influence into smaller and smaller chunks?
while collecting all the goon PVE tears?
well i mean you've already admitted there's no chance this is going to happen with having to place even a single ship at risk so what you're basically saying is that you think this system is so unbalanced that you guys, a collection of poorly-organized pilots who flee in terror from a fight, think you could clear the most occupied region of the game What you are describing is what happens in all of these discussions, and why the discussions never have the kind of value they should. Someone comes up with an ides, some group (usually goons) WARNS everyone who things will be abused. People biased against that group "or all groups of that type) instantly believe there is some self serving ulterior motive and thus fail to heed the warning. If the change then happens and the big group then proceeds to do exactly what they warned they would, the dumb people who didn't heed the warning use it as another reason to hate the big group lol. If it weren't so sad, it would be funny. Personally, I'm just bookmarking posts to be trotted out in the months after all these changes happen. Realized a long time ago (in real life) that it's fruitless to tell a dreamer type person (or a kid ) that a bright idea they have isn't going to work. Much better to let them fail and teach them why after the fact. Sigh
I'm not sure if our 0.0 dream will be ended by moa or not, this is quite problematic as I want to know if i should start heavy emotional investment into something like star citizen. there's no point if massadeath can't deliver on his promise to end our 0.0 nightmare
by the way it won't matter, did you bookmark posts on the fatigue thing? because haha that sure shook up our sov (after we sold it to the coalition that exists to destroy us)
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No, they won't stop posting, only disengage and move to another set of goalposts
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I must say, it looks like now the argument is "you need to have 3x the numbers of someone to end their 0.0 dream"
If so, then moa will need some help to end our 0.0 dream.
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Bienator II wrote:i would just release it as is, watch the apocalypse for 6 weeks and adjust it when required later.
troll[insert ship type] is only effective in space you do not live in. So own as much space as you can defend #probemSolved.
we already have the case study out there. Running for 6 years or so. FW farmers (in stabbed cloaky "troll" fits) can only influence sov of empty systems. They do not work in home or staging systems (speak: defended systems). The only real difference is that there are no freeports in FW, which means with current game population there is always more space owned by a militia as they can defend. Null is different. So release it and see what happens, adjust later (the part you forgot doing for FW). So we also have the case study out there
it won't be adjusted
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:40 minute capture time. i see you're not actually leaving, but there are virtually no systems with 40 minute capture time. 27.5m is the maximum you'll see except for the rare mining system. more to the point though, all you're doing is trying to justify a bore-off. Boredom is an important part of the eve meta
Just as one applies dps to destroy a hull, one applies boredom to remove the pilot
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote: I'm using the maximum for effect - we can do 27minutes instead and still have a 29:12 ratio of time wasted by the trollceptor pilot versus the defender. Point still stands.
edit: And just done with replying to the ship-toaster not the thread in general :)
so yes, we remain in a bore-off but without the thin advantage of a massive inbalance in favor of the defender, merely a moderate one what fun Sounds perfect. Good thing we have trained interceptors or at least t1 ewar frigates.
I guess this means we have to play defend the 0.0 dream
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davet517 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
If the change then happens and the big group then proceeds to do exactly what they warned they would, the dumb people who didn't heed the warning use it as another reason to hate the big group lol. If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.
I'll ask again, who, exactly, do you think they are going to do it to who cant return the favor in spades? The other coalitions renters? I'm not sure that anyone other than those renters has a problem with that, and when you go down that road, be prepared to lose your own renters. They're threatening to grief some fantasy small sov holder that doesn't actually exist, and won't exist, unless and until the coalitions break up. Actually, the fantasy scenario for most unaligned folks is for the two coalitions to grief each other into the ground while they hammer away from NPC space, so, swing away. I kind of think that the same oligarchs who negotiated botlord will avoid that, though. They won't attack each other's soft renter underbellies and swaths of barely occupied systems. That'll be the privilege of others. No way, you mean even more not-blue-but-we-have-agreements is what will come out of this? But I thought it was supposed to shake up null
Then... who will end our 0.0 nightmare?!?
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Arrendis wrote:Eli Apol wrote:So what you're saying is that the maulus pilots only need to spend a fraction of the time sitting/orbitting a structure to undo this troll...
And of course you assume that the maulus pilot isn't just a local bear that docked up and swapped ships quickly to defend his current system rather than chasing the interceptor to systems...that aren't his system?
Genius.
Oh, I don't think there's any doubt that the maulus pilots only need a fraction of the time sitting/orbitting a structure to undo the troll. Nor do I think there's any reason not to believe that the maulus pilot isn't a local nullbear who's swapped over to a defensive ship. In doing so, though, he's eating into his 'making money' time. And ostensibly, the reason he makes his money that way is that's what he enjoys doing. The troll pilot, on the other hand, enjoys trolling. So one side is getting what they want (provoking a reaction), while the other side is not (interrupting their planned activities to deal with the troll). Ultimately, it's a question of which side (trolls vs residents) gets tired of doing it first. And if the history of online social interaction has shown us anything - completely setting aside 'Goons' or 'Eve' or even online gaming and going right back to 40+ years of usenet etc - is that trolls will keep on trolling just as long as they can get a reaction. Even showing up to put a stop to their activities only yields 'umad bro? lololol'. The only response that doesn't feed the troll, as it were, is to ignore them - which in this case, means they RF your stuff. Utlimately, the troll can't lose, if all he wants to do is troll. Can the defenders keep their space intact? Sure. But the troll can't lose. Not even if he gets stopped. Not even if he gets blown up. Because he's trolling, and you reacted. And that's what gets him off - feeling like he's made you play his game, not yours. Hmmm I see
so even if moa can't ever win against us, if they have no sov anyway they can't ever lose
but we will lose eventually unless of course we are alive when eve dies... but otherwise they can just predict that our 0.0 dream will end eventually...
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Eli Apol wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote: If someone chooses to engage in trollceptor fleets - it's them that's forcing the boredom on each other - there's no rule that says you may only use a trollceptor to attempt a sov take over!
It sounds like the kind of attritional grinding that some Sov holders enjoy participating in tbh.
there's no rule that says you can't fit mining lasers to a titan either, but nobody does because it doesn't make a lick of sense to do it except as a joke Sure, you guys can spend other people's primetimes just trolling them - idk maybe people that actually want to take sov will turn up with fleets or put a cyno on their ceptors. don't worry we have enough people to troll and put up some fleets
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:davet517 wrote: I'll ask again, who, exactly, do you think they are going to do it to who cant return the favor in spades? .
the optimistic fools who think that the change means they can now have sov blocs will continue to exist as the only way to prevent getting blasted out of nullsec by a bored bloc in a week But can they at least blast the blocs out of nullsec as well?
It's meaningless if random npc nullsec dwellers can't just destroy everyone's 0.0 fantasy you know
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote: Sure, you guys can spend other people's primetimes just trolling them - idk maybe people that actually want to take sov will turn up with fleets or put a cyno on their ceptors.
nobody will fight us, just ask massadeath who while vigoriously masturbating at the possibility of being relevant has let slip he will never actually take a fight because he'd lose he can't lose as moa has no sov
He wouldn't be "prepping" his "sov laser" if he didn't intend to use it all over our "command nodes"
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KIller Wabbit wrote:What has been proposed is a great place to embark on the journey. Ship it, Fozzie. Let's do this thing.
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MASSADEATH wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:MASSADEATH wrote: You are not understanding the goons fear.... they know what will happen...just like the way we hunt thier ratters....
so poorly that deklein remains the most heavily ratted region in the game by far, as admitted by noted goon propagandist gevlon goblin? hey, we are one of the highest paid "mercs" in eve currently...and all we have to do is kill CFC/goons..which was already our natural disposition. and you are facing a group that cant be bought off..or weaseled in any other way like the goons usually do. do you see anyone else living beside you? no does it get better than that...... heck yes killing CFC and GOONS...and having the ability to dismantle their SOV you had better stock up on IHUBS and TCUs..cause a kill is a kill...and we are gonna take as many out as we can AWWWW YEAAHHH
It's great to see you getting fired up to do this thing, there's hope for a better tomorrow!!
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:MASSADEATH wrote: hey, we are one of the highest paid "mercs" in eve currently...and all we have to do is kill CFC/goons..which was already our natural disposition.
and you are facing a group that cant be bought off..or weaseled in any other way like the goons usually do.
do you see anyone else living beside you? no
well yes, you can't be bought off because we did it already and found the trivial price wasn't worth it because you were useless and we were better off with you as enemies we used to have black fleegion living next to us as well but :laffo: i do admire your ability to deal with talking to gevlon for the free money though, most people haven't been able to resist laughing in his face long enough to keep collecting the money well, besides TEST. i guess you're like TEST. TEST are the heroes we deserve.
Maybe they will also return to end our 0.0 dream?
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:MASSADEATH wrote: hey, we are one of the highest paid "mercs" in eve currently...and all we have to do is kill CFC/goons..which was already our natural disposition.
and you are facing a group that cant be bought off..or weaseled in any other way like the goons usually do.
do you see anyone else living beside you? no
well yes, you can't be bought off because we did it already and found the trivial price wasn't worth it because you were useless and we were better off with you as enemies we used to have black fleegion living next to us as well but :laffo: i do admire your ability to deal with talking to gevlon for the free money though, most people haven't been able to resist laughing in his face long enough to keep collecting the money well, besides TEST. i guess you're like TEST. does this mean that one day, moa might stop because it isn't worth the effort for the payment...
if so , who will end our 0.0 dream? someone with even more isk... oh no
it will be NORTHERNASSOCIATES.
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I'm in shock because massadeath confessed moa was in it as mercs.
you can't come at someone screaming you'll end their 0.0 dream and then be all "sorry baby, it was all about being the best paid job"
your hot throbbing intention to smash though our 0.0 dream... was it all a lie?!?!!!
I don't know how to take this, I need to take a rest. Maybe I will join a structure shooting fleet.
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Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Acuma wrote:Again.....don't be dense. They asked for feedback and they are going to make adjustments.....that's a given. I never said the link "resets" I said it cancels you out so you run away in your trollceptor to repeat the process all over again. you can't say "that feedback isn't needed because they will adjust based on feedback and resolve that issue" until they actually adjust then the feedback continues And where exactly did I say that? I said they are requesting feedback.....there's no denying that. Whether the indexes stay as is or they adjust are irrelevant......the defender still knows the timers and will still waste a whole lot less time than you trying to RF in a trollceptor. Trolling the troll as it were......have fun spending 20 minutes for every 3-4 of a single defender LOL please continue to harp on this point as if it was relevant also extended ellipsis use is one of the key signs of desperation in a poster As are personal attacks. Something I noticed alot of GoOniEs have no problem with. I understand how you would think it's unreasonable to assume since they ask for feedback on the entosis they won't ask for feedback on the other mechanics.........oh wait, it's not. LOL We're the bad guys, it's to be expected that people will attack our persons, as... our persons are bad, after all.
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baltec1 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote: I'm using the maximum for effect - we can do 27minutes instead and still have a 29:12 ratio of time wasted by the trollceptor pilot versus the defender. Point still stands.
edit: And just done with replying to the ship-toaster not the thread in general :)
so yes, we remain in a bore-off but without the thin advantage of a massive inbalance in favor of the defender, merely a moderate one what fun The only real disadvantage is being inflicted on sov holders with more systems than they can cover... everybody else is just fine., thanks. Having battles over sov consisting of nothing but trollcepters and their ineffective counters is not a healthy game or what CCP wants. Whoa there
How do you know it isn't what ccp wants
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Yroc Jannseen wrote:Acuma wrote:Seems mostly that only the goonies are afraid of trollceptors.......even with their "superior numbers" and their "we'll burn null sec to the ground if this is allowed." Wonder why that is? Too much space? To many renters? Afraid of spread out fights instead of blobs? You confuse fear with telling you exactly what is going to happen to everyone else. Our 0.0 dream will be ended.
moa will take our sov and we will be forced into a new world of not having our sov anymore
i don't think anyone is even getting it, i feel so discouraged. especially after hearing moa was in it as mercs. i don't know who to trust anymore
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Tycho VI wrote:Some people might find it fun....but honestly, having to attend 4 hour CTA where u gotta go out and deal with arty claw fleets, svipul fleets, exclusively where no real value is put on the table...all the time....otherwise your station assets get locked out...
meh might actually have more fun just staging out of lowsec and being the problem So, you've giving up your 0.0 dream to northernassociates then?
Ooohh, are you going to join moa and take away our 0.0 dream?
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Now I'm really confused about if our 0.0 dream is going to end or not....
are you going to steal it away or are you not going to, give a straight answer, sheesh. someone could get fed up of being given the run around
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So the person repairing is... not chasing the guy with the hostile link?
or perhaps this is like a 2defender1attacker type scenario?
2def1atk
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Acuma wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Acuma wrote:Seems mostly that only the goonies are afraid of trollceptors.......even with their "superior numbers" and their "we'll burn null sec to the ground if this is allowed." Wonder why that is? Too much space? To many renters? Afraid of spread out fights instead of blobs? All it takes is a tanked out maller alt sitting on a structure......ya'll don't have alts? Do you like the idea of the 1000 Goon sov laser raid on all and sundry? Because it will happen and it will be funny. Also, stop being bitter because we're right, just like the tech nerf, just like the sentry nerf. I cherish the idea. You waste a ton of time and are countered by a single person with a few minutes? How long can you keep that up? That's just to RF a structure.....you actually have to come back LOL. Wait, but if that's the case then how will moa end our 0.0 dream.
Was I just being lied to all this time? MASSADEATTHHHHHHHHHHHH
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
As much as possible, the Entosis Link capture progress should reflect which group has effective military control of the grid. ... The restrictions and penalties on the Entosis Link should be as simple and understandable as possible. ... All in all, I want to make it very clear that we are going to make adjustments to the Entosis Link in order to get the best possible gameplay and to match these goals as well as possible.
We would like this thread to become a place of discussion around the Entosis Link mechanics, the ships that you expect to use them on, and the tactics you foresee becoming popular. What issues do you foresee popping up? How do you think these goals should be adjusted or refocused? Which of the many module balance dials do you think would be the most intuitive?
Please keep discussion calm and reasonable. Remember that even though we're not making knee-jerk reactions, we are definitely listening and working to get this balance right.
Thanks -Fozzie
Fozzie for the love of god you need to define the mechanics of the Entosis Link more clearly so that we have a starting ground for how we should approach the discussion of module balance! For example we dont even know if the modules warp prevention mechanic is retained upon a broken lock or not. This simple facet of the mechanic is a fundamental aspect of its balance that you've yet to define and gives us no real area to start a true and proper discussion on this area of the module balance. I'd say more than half of this discussion is based on pure conjecture and total assumptions purely down to your lack of will or desire to nail down specifics. So for gods sake grow some balls and put some specifics on the table so we can better critique and offer accurate descriptions of potential issues, rather than just some complete sociopathic "lets watch the mouthbreathers fight over the candy" style freak show that's currently going on. a ceptor is capable of denying you "effective military control of the grid" so where's the problem?
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:baltec1 wrote:For the love of god do not allow us such a tool because we will abuse it and make life for everyone else miserable. I think if one were to take only one thing out of the discussion, this would be it. It's a lie.
We're afraid massadeath of moa will abuse it and take away our innocence as sov havers
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Eli Apol wrote: Now if Goons had a reasonable proposition that doesn't a) have multiple counter tactics and b) ends up wasting more of the attackers time than the defenders? Then sure we'd agree.
Ha ha, what? You're actually straight up admitting that you only want something that does not have counters. You know, by rejecting anything that would, and I ******* quote your very sentence, "have multiple counter tactics". So unless it's absurdly overpowered with no reasonable way for a defender to deal with it, you don't want it. Thanks for that, you just screwed your whole side in this argument. Well yeah, thanks for reminding us the whole objective is to end our 0.0 dream
massadeath say something, i can't believe you'd just give up on taking away our sov like that, be the hero we deserve and fight for the tools that will let you rip through the sovvvvvv
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Querns wrote:Gonna quote myself here; please don't judge me too harshly. Querns wrote:This issue is so fundamental that it poisons any other potential discussion on the topic of New Sov. Without a clear position on this one subject, none of the rest of the work that has been done has any fundamental meaning. This is a very harsh thing for me to say, but I can't really put it any more gently than this. For this, I apologize, but it has to be said for any forward progress to be made. It looks like here on page 50 or 51 that this is exactly what is occurring GÇö-áthe conversation is completely stalled and impotent because no details were provided. Well yeah but gotta stay the course and just ram it all the way in
all the way.... into our sov...
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:baltec1 wrote:For the love of god do not allow us such a tool because we will abuse it and make life for everyone else miserable. I think if one were to take only one thing out of the discussion, this would be it. It's a lie. We're afraid massadeath of moa will abuse it and take away our innocence as sov havers This kind of posting is why CCP don't actually read the threads. I'm out, if anything changes to the mechanics it'll be posted on TMC or EN24, so I'm not wasting any more of my time on this rabble. But it's true. Look at all the posts pointing out how scared we must be.
Well ok, it might take more than just massadeath, he probably has to get some people from moa to do it, and maybe even a third party. But this is well within the reasonable range of possibilities.
Thus, we are scared.
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Alp Khan wrote:It's not just the cost, cost is only one of the factors. Besides, yes, 100M is cheap. I'd like to recommend you to look at typical sovereign null fleet compositions that are current, you won't see many 100M ships there.
It's speed+mobility+low cost and high availability+evasiveness and almost constant invincibility for small, agile hulls.
Basically, an interceptor becomes the hull of choice with following highlights
a) Evade any gate camp with sub 2.0s align time b) Evade any bubble c) Easy to train for and easy to acquire, extremely low cost d) Can be easily acquired in massive quantities and can be sent to troll entire regions in very little time d) Can disengage safely from almost all possible types of on-grid encounters through overwhelming speed, even during entosis module phase
And people are pushing for a hull like this to be able to contest sovereignty and space assets?
As General McAullife once said, "Nuts!" These are the heroes we deserve, who will finally take away our 0.0 dream and drag us into a new world.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: a ceptor is capable of denying you "effective military control of the grid" so where's the problem?
literally shut the f**k up, you're actually more annoying the xenuria. Er, hmm. Not sure how I should handle this.
Let me disengage and move to the next Command Post
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Lienzo wrote:It will be interesting to see what the change of direction will be if half the stations are freeports by December. Unlikely, as if anything random people will poke it to grab a station despite not having any intention to use, hold or defend it.
In short, probably it will look like a great success with tons of little "sovtroll" sovholders who don't use the sov or anything or derive much value out of it at all.
Op success!
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Pooptasticize wrote:The troll-ceptor for DEFENSE is much more onerous than the one for offense.
You're a small corp. You bring 20 dudes into a system to take a station. You start sov-lasering the station. They bring out a single intercepter you will never be able to catch that also activates it's SOV laser.
Two hours later you go home empty handed, even though you controlled the grid. As long as you trolled the guys holding the sov, isn't it success?
I begin to wonder about the plans people are making to take our sov. Hopefully they have a plan to deal with ceptors like the ones they will use.
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I think we need to move our mindset to a post-sov world, where you have to extract what you can get with only a bare minimum of sov (otherwise you will pay very high costs in trolling, no matter what)
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Tycho VI wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Pooptasticize wrote:The troll-ceptor for DEFENSE is much more onerous than the one for offense.
You're a small corp. You bring 20 dudes into a system to take a station. You start sov-lasering the station. They bring out a single intercepter you will never be able to catch that also activates it's SOV laser.
Two hours later you go home empty handed, even though you controlled the grid. As long as you trolled the guys holding the sov, isn't it success? I begin to wonder about the plans people are making to take our sov. Hopefully they have a plan to deal with ceptors like the ones they will use. trolled like 3 guys watching the intel channel That's not good then, how will moa poke us until we give up all our sov out of frustration
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Dras Malar wrote:I really do not understand the point of the Entosis module. Why should sov be decided by a new gimmicky high slot module? If you want effective military control to decide sov battles, why not just leave it up to structure hitpoints and remove all the convoluted boring elements that are in sov right now? If you have effective military control, you shoot the thing, then put up your own thing. If you don't, you lose the battle and the other guy blows up your ship.
Why do you want to turn nullsec into some ridiculous whack-a-mole game crossed with some multi-system King of the Hill nonsense? Do you not want anyone to live in nullsec? Probably because "ceptor with laser" is easier than "you have to fight a blob of evil blobbers"
Can't shake up null if the likes of moa can't send single ceptors out. As it is, trying to harass sov right now still takes a lot of structure shooters even if you're out in nadot land... it's nearly impossible in Deklein now.
At least you can get some interceptors in.
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Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:in an UNUSED system lol deklein is the most-used 0.0 region in the game Then you have nothing to worry about from a lone "trollceptor." Heh heh... then is all our worrying actually just intended to entice a response or are we fearing for our 0.0 dream
I have no idea myself
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Veskrashen wrote:Tycho VI wrote:And then you start using Trollvipuls :P Trollvipuls don't insta-align and can't ignore bubbles. Therefore according to Gewns they're absolutely in no way shape or form imbalanced. Ahh, bubbles.
Hopefully the sovtrolls from lowsec are sufficiently acquainted with these interdiction methods. Well, if not then they become "content"
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baltec1 wrote:Tycho VI wrote:What if it was made so that when using the Entosis, your ship can not move at all? Blap dreads. If someone has a blap dread on field, clearly the one it is shooting does not have "effective military control of the grid" since.. well there's a hostile dread.
So it's fine?
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Tycho VI wrote:You gotta use some kind of imagination here....Has anyone considered how ridiculous that shooting a laser from a moving ship at a Station, TCU, SBU could somehow force all the workers inside the structure to be forced to end up changing to their side, like a mind control beam really?
Lean towards the mechanic that the Entosis is actually a retractable bridge rather then a laser that serves the purpose of moving troops from said ship to said structure for active combat (the first timer), to reinforcing their forces for victory (second timer) etc.... SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR LORE AND FUTURE UPDATES! Use a laser as the graphic placeholder forever if you have to.
You cant fly around in orbit of a structure without ripping this bridge apart and putting all the troops in a zero gravity environment causing death. Or breaking the laser's concentration...etc
Suggestion:
You could implement some completely new code so that the Entosis mod's link will be broken once the user's angle becomes greater then a specific number (you can still move around what you are using it on, but you cant go from bottom to top of the structure, or orbit it 360 degrees around without breaking the link) I would have thought it was like a reverse mining laser.
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Acuma wrote:[quote=Tycho VI] Lean towards the mechanic that the Entosis is actually a retractable bridge rather then a laser that serves the purpose of moving troops from said ship to said structure for active combat (the first timer), to reinforcing their forces for victory (second timer) etc.... SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR LORE AND FUTURE UPDATES! Use a laser as the graphic placeholder forever if you have to. {/quote]
I actually like the idea of some kind of boarding ship. Warp in to 0, launch troops on the structure, or something like that. This entosis module is unrealistic. Remember when DUST was supposed to be linked to sov?
Well it got laser focus headshot, but perhaps
Legion
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Acuma wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:its shockingly funny to watch all of you running around worrying about frigates.
it clearly shows how incapable you are of understanding the very simple layout of these sov mechanics. But frigates are indestructible! What can you do against them? /sarcasm off Aha, so it's actually going to return to an isk-on-field methodology.
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Acuma wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Acuma wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:its shockingly funny to watch all of you running around worrying about frigates.
it clearly shows how incapable you are of understanding the very simple layout of these sov mechanics. But frigates are indestructible! What can you do against them? /sarcasm off Aha, so it's actually going to return to an isk-on-field methodology. Numerous counters exist,. If the almighty goons are afraid of a few trollceptors......you have concerns about being able to defend your renters. Boo frickin hoo. I wonder how all the FW folks deal with the ALMIGHTY ceptor. Renters huh.... hmm
Moa might end our 0.0 -renter- dream, then
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:its shockingly funny to watch all of you running around worrying about frigates.
it clearly shows how incapable you are of understanding the very simple layout of these sov mechanics. hrm yes i need to assert my superiority over eveo but i can't be too committal, yeah, let's post a nice vague, unsubstantiated thing mmm there it is Aww I'm now vaguely turned on by this.
But, like CCP's information thus far, it needs more details.
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So we're supposed to pretend that the gate is an ihub and the 27 people are sovlasering it...?
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Lena Lazair wrote:Based on the goals stated, I'm struggling to figure out why this isn't a new-style deployable.
Give it reasonably high EHP/omni resists along the lines of an MTU. Give it a TINY sig rad to make it hard to bomb and slow for sniper fleets to lock w/o significant sebo. Make it 50 to 100m3 in size. Make it vulnerable to ECM (though omni only; eg omni strengths that must ALL be 0 before jammed) so that it pauses cycling while jammed. Make it impossible to rescoop until a cycle completes successfully (eg destruction or win, no scoop and run).
Grid control? Check; virtually impossible to keep alive a deployable w/o grid control.
Troll-y? Not really... frigates can only carry a few without resupply. This allows legitimate use in fastfrigs/intys to contest abandoned sov, but makes it much tougher to troll entire regions (since they can't rescoop deployed units unless/until they cycle completely).
Occupancy? This makes it even easier for defenders to "prove" occupancy. Any ship that can control grid/apply DPS can destroy a troll deployable, without requiring a defensive e-link of their own. That said, the behavior that deadlocks control when more than one alliance's e-links are deployed should remain. Multiple can be deployed; only question is whether a single pilot should be able to deploy more than one at a time.
Defensible? With a good mix of EHP and sig, should be possible to tweak to a point where sniper/bomber attacks are not effective enough without grid control to pop it before it cycles successfully. Also, true null grid control against sniper/bomber is required (eg proper use of defensive bubbles). An interesting idea...
Defenders must shoot the structure deployable. This is of course different from the SBU, as it has to be dealt with immediately (it will reinforce the thing, unlike SBU where the attackers must come back and still structure grind).
Too bad it will probably be buried, but a nice suggestion
EDIT: I'm serious, it is actually an interesting idea. Definitely better than the drop SBU -> Wait 3 hours -> Structure shoot thing.
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Veskrashen wrote:Lena Lazair wrote:Based on the goals stated, I'm struggling to figure out why this isn't a new-style deployable. Because part of the idea, at least in my read of things, is to have more people active and vulnerable in space. While a Trollceptor could conceivably only carry a few, a cloaky T3 could carry far more - and a Blockade Runner could carry dozens and dozens. This would allow a single pilot to carpet bomb the hell out of a constellation or region, while not putting himself at any risk at all - there would be no requirement for him to even be uncloaked for his multitude of sov deployables to do their dastardly work. In addition, it would take an appreciable amount of time for a defender to kill them all. The disparity in effort would be even more Trolltastic than the fabled unkillable uncounterable Trollceptors. If it doesn't require you to be on grid, active, and unable to escape grid without losing your progress... it doesn't fit the bill. Tsk... I have to take back what I said before then.
I forgot groups with some logistics capability and tons of isk might do that. Perhaps there might be a way to limit the number you can keep in your hold... or hhmm
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Lena Lazair wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Lena Lazair wrote:Based on the goals stated, I'm struggling to figure out why this isn't a new-style deployable. Because part of the idea, at least in my read of things, is to have more people active and vulnerable in space. M If it doesn't require you to be on grid, active, and unable to escape grid without losing your progress... it doesn't fit the bill. The fix to that is alluded in my op; only allow pilots to have one of these deployed at a time. Sure, this is still a slight change (you can travel to your next target while it cycles, if willing to leave 100m deployable behind and undefended), but would cap the troll rate. Increase cycle times slightly to compensate for this travel edge and you are no worse off than now. EDIT: Even better, since you add risk for the troll. If someone is trolling space, instead of popping their deployable, I can choose to just drop a defensive one and leave it deadlocked. Now the troll has to waste MORE time travelling back and popping mine, waiting on theirs, and rescooping, OR popping their own, before they can deploy a new one. Hahaha, oh that's great. Yeah if you had defensive ones, the troll has to be able to actually kill it.
A blockade runner can't I think... an interceptor might have some trouble...
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What about instead of just "1 link and that's it", you changed it to "more than one link counts, but only up to.. 5"
This means a troll attempt needs a few more people. (and a single person really shouldn't be "effective military control of the grid" anyway)
Defense trolling, also will now need more than just one to tie up a node.
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MASSADEATH wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: But it's true. Look at all the posts pointing out how scared we must be.
Well ok, it might take more than just massadeath, he probably has to get some people from moa to do it, and maybe even a third party. But this is well within the reasonable range of possibilities.
Thus, we are scared.
Sorry we were busy killing a few bill of your ships in YAO ..i would link you the kills but i think its against the rules..suffice to say some poor guy lost 800m+ in a hauler carrying what looks like all his goodies. Guess he thought he was safe deep in goon SOV territory... the way I see it.... any change from what we have is a step up..and change is good and fun I remember when fatigue was going to allow you to end our 0.0 dream, too
I don't know what to believe anymore
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Arrendis wrote:MASSADEATH wrote:Sorry we were busy killing a few bill of your ships in YAO ..i would link you the kills but i think its against the rules..suffice to say some poor guy lost 800m+ in a hauler carrying what looks like all his goodies. Guess he thought he was safe deep in goon SOV territory...
the way I see it.... any change from what we have is a step up..and change is good and fun Was that before or after you decided to drop Reagalan's FC damnation and impotently shoot at it until he got bored? Was it a newbee? I don't recall hearing about this. When did it happen, just recently?
Even if you can't link the killmail, name and shame please. Er if it was a newbie with salvage especially let us know...
Maybe next time we can have Regalan's FC sovtroll damnation
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Pooptasticize wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:What about instead of just "1 link and that's it", you changed it to "more than one link counts, but only up to.. 5" Not an unlimited N+1, but one which caps at a low enough level that a small gang will easily be above it if they wanted.
This means a troll attempt needs a few more people. (and a single person really shouldn't be "effective military control of the grid" anyway)
Defense trolling, also will now need more than just one to tie up a node. Why not you need 5 to start the process? No faster for additional, nothing gained by having fewer. I'll be honest, I like the idea of "if there's no one, you can just shotgun like mad". But I also like the idea of "oh it's just one, we can send two people to deal with it" etc etc.
I'll even say I want to do this in ladyscarlet's rental empire (hi northernassociates!!!)... so it's for that kind of selfish reason
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:59:32 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:What about instead of just "1 link and that's it", you changed it to "more than one link counts, but only up to.. 5" Not an unlimited N+1, but one which caps at a low enough level that a small gang will easily be above it if they wanted.
This means a troll attempt needs a few more people. (and a single person really shouldn't be "effective military control of the grid" anyway)
Defense trolling, also will now need more than just one to tie up a node. Still doesn't require "military control of the grid", since you just have to have more max evasion Trollceptors on grid than the other guy. Bringing more dudes should not = autowin just because you have more dudes. Sure, have more Links active if you want to. You should still have to kill off / force off field all the Links that they have to make progress. Yes, that's right.
Currently, you only need one, no matter if the other side has 100 people.
At least with this, you would need 5 (again even if they have 100 people)
So instead of 1...1
you also have 2>1, 3>2... 5>4, but then it's just 5.... same reasoning for the cap as current, just a cap of 5 instead of 1.
Or you can pick some other positive integer that sounds nice. Not too big though.
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Arrendis wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Even if you can't link the killmail, name and shame please. Er if it was a newbie with salvage especially let us know...
Like 2 hours ago in TXME. MOA's little bomber roam dropped on him. Er, so it was a newbie, or?
Wait no newbie should be hauling that much, what was in it
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Zazad Antollare wrote:**** idea incoming
i like the idea of the thing beeing like a deployable but as someone said they could carpet bomb a region really easily with almost zero risk, so why not make it like a drone? you have to be on grid and control it so it doesn't get blown up. Instead of an entosis module, an entosis drone huh...
But some ships don't have any drone bay. And I guess with ishtars online, they would also be able to carry a bunch. Though you don't get blockade runners using them.
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Justa Hunni wrote:rsantos wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:Jessy Andersteen wrote:About the trollceptor. It's stupid. Ok, u can't kill the "trollceptor" but...
Remember: targeting range of the interceptor. Put a single Maulus, hyena,keres, rapier, huggin, razzu or a griffin on the field...
Bye bye trollceptor.
Trollceptor is a troll. Don't feed the troll. Awesome. Hero owns 98 systems in Catch, and 38 stations. We now need 136 mauluses to spend 4 hours a night sitting on an ihub/station. Except of course if these trollceptors have any kind of weapons, it can kill the maulus, so we partner them with a RLML caracal to prevent that from happening. There, we've kept one of the most densely populated regions in the game save from trollceptors, and it only costs us 1088 man hours per night! If you can't muster 136 mauluses a night you own to much sov. As if quickly reshiping to a defense fleet would take 4 hours a day! This beeing said by a 15K man alliance makes me puke! Sry no offense intended. Spoken by a guy who doesn't own any sov but just likes jerking others around, makes me puke! sry no offense intended This is eveo forums, people intend all sorts of offense.
Especially against other people's sov...
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Veskrashen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Zazad Antollare wrote:**** idea incoming
i like the idea of the thing beeing like a deployable but as someone said they could carpet bomb a region really easily with almost zero risk, so why not make it like a drone? you have to be on grid and control it so it doesn't get blown up. Instead of an entosis module, an entosis drone huh... But some ships don't have any drone bay. And I guess with ishtars online, they would also be able to carry a bunch. Though you don't get blockade runners using them. Not to mention it doesn't pin you on grid like an active Entosis Link does. Anything that allows you to GTFO and abandon whatever expendable item whenever you choose - i.e. disengage at will - is not one that puts you at risk. Well i guess if you're worried about killboard stats.
Otherwise losing an expensive thing ... ship or otherwise is still an issue.
But making a drone would imply no killmail. A deployable would presumably give a killmail, so it shows up in your K:D ratio, isk efficiency and so on.
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I think they are obsessed with the idea that winning must lead to a killmail.
Though in many cases it seems like the interceptor based approach would also give no killmail, so....
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Ah, so it can't move around like the interceptor-based approach would allow.
Good point.
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Posted - 2015.03.10 01:25:10 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Well i guess if you're worried about killboard stats.
Otherwise losing an expensive thing ... ship or otherwise is still an issue.
But making a drone would imply no killmail. A deployable would presumably give a killmail, so it shows up in your K:D ratio, isk efficiency and so on. I don't care about KBs per se. I care about a player being able to take or defend sov without being at risk. You know, what you all were so incensed about when you were rabble rabble about Trollceptors. I thought that problem would be obvious, but I guess it really does come down to the fact that Trollceptors can escape gatecamps. Putting the little (probably expensive) entosis thing at risk is putting something at risk.
What you want is specifically "put a hull at risk" which is to say, you want to get killmail off it.
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Maybe they're actually worried about goons shotgunning all over the place and figure that requiring the ship to be tied up will deter us. I mean it isn't so much about risk, as making it boring for the attacker (they have to be there and watch their interceptor orbit... in order to not be caught and killed).
Do you not trust moa to end our 0.0 dream or something?
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Yep, it's less about about risk or anything ... sure I can drop another sov thing.
Or I can leave and just shoot the (same) sov laser at another thing... I don't even lose the sov laser, i get however many uses out of it as I want...
It's because you want to keep the sov attacking guy on grid watching his dscan or whatever.
A noble sentiment
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It's Structure Shooting Mk2: Structure Lasering
Ok, sounds good to me. Let's stick with the module concept. Not that drakes could really troll sov by shooting and scooting, but it's ok since we want frigates in their ones and twos to take sov
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Doesn't matter anymore.
In the past, it was ships with DPS and ideally not having to reload
Now it's just you need to be able to run about, and ideally not be catchable by bubbles
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Querns wrote:Alexander McKeon wrote:Can we please stop obsessing over interceptors for a few minutes and get back to focusing on the root causes of why defending even well used space will be problematic? This would be nice; alas, we are in the Entosis Link posting ghetto. We're approaching the 0.0 Dream Ruins.
Please equip your entosis link, just in case any sov remains...
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Vigilanta wrote:So basically work on the vulnerability, the 4 hour window must go. 24 hours, or some sort of scaled window seem to be the better option for a worldwide single shard game. Vulnerability shouldn't just happen because of time of day, there needs to be some sort of gameplay to induce vulnerability whether thats a single use structure that creates a vulnerable state in the system or some other more brilliant mechanic im incapable of thinking of (perhaps a new deploy able?). Ah yess,
An EntosisImmunity Blockade Unit: deploy at >50% of gates to make the sov structures vulnerable to entosis links.
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Vigilanta wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: you can also break gatecamps with sufficient pvp force so again i have to wonder why you hold them in such contempt
Because they don't want to have "military superiority on grid". That's the origination of all of their arguments. Actually, the "military superiority on grid" is no problem at all. See, we feel we can achieve that even in the face of interceptors going 7km/sec. We don't think that Trollceptors are invincible boogiemen that can't be killed and can't be countered. Other folks with well-endowed toons seem to have an issue seeing beyond gatecamps as the only security measure that works. Its less that they are invincible boogeyman and more that as currently written you have to do nothing but defend sov for 4 hours fo the day from any tom **** and harry that decides they want to reinforce it for the lulz, Sov warfare should require more effort than that. The old tower sov system is far superior to what is proposed here. Towers are now not only able to defend themselves (somewhat) but also can have more ehp than sov structures and cannot be shot by supercarriers. Pretty nice, all things considered.
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Oh I was just commenting on the fact when the sov structures got their ehp nerfed, towers are now the big hard targets (especially Large ones with tons of hardeners, etc)
It is rather appropriate since they are in many cases the moneymakers (ie: money moons). Also, you can siphon them of course
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Dras Malar wrote:It's like CCP wants nullsec to just not exist. They seem to hate everything about large alliances and coalitions even though that's what makes this game unique, so they're trying to force our gameplay to change in a way they like better without understanding what we already have or what the changes would actually mean for us. Between our 0.0 dreams and their 0.0 vision, it's obvious who can force the other to submit.
We're not going to win here, it's time to just give in and check out. Maybe fweddit will lead a new coalition to take over factional sovereignty and we can be their pets
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Sigras wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:interceptor sees combat probes, then disengages No. CCP Fozzie wrote:You can't cancel an entosis link until the end of the cycle. Source. Are you saying you can't kill an interceptor that can't warp out? Can we all drop this tired argument? that doesnt mean you cant fly out of range... My Malediction does 3.5 km/s combat fit without links implants or heat. In the 15 seconds from the time i see you on d-scan to the time you can lock me I can be out of your range. IMHO skirmish ships do not constitute "effective military control" of a grid if they constantly have to run away... For that reason I feel that the entosis link should disable propulsion mods the same way the HIC bubble does. Who knows... there's been all kinds of ridiculous arguments about what "effective military control" is even supposed to mean.
It basically means "whatever satisfies ccp's 0.0 vision of a fight" even if apparently it's 1 interceptor lasering a structure, or 1 ship chasing a 1 ceptor, or perhaps 1 ship being unable to chase 1 ceptor (does it have a laser as well?)
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Carniflex wrote:Dras Malar wrote:Everyone who has never had to defend sov should ask yourselves what you could possibly contribute to this discussion.
If I'm in a trollceptor, and you damp me with a Celestis or whatever, I move three systems over and lose you, and start again. I don't even have to go for sov, I'll just turn off station services because it's faster and it creates work for you. This is going to happen every day until we're all too bored to deal with it anymore. And then we'll all just play a different game. (1) If there is no one present in local you can freely to do so regardless of ship used. (2) If there is someone present in local willing to do something about you you will be unsuccessful in that trollceptor and probably die within about 4 tries to create the timer. Exact number depends on what the defender brings. (3) If you are happy to lose about 2-3 trollceptors / hour I am pretty sure there will be defenders willing to farm you grinning all the way through it every day you are willing to do so. So you're -not- going to end our 0.0 nightmare now?
I'd feel disappointed but massadeath already said it was for being a merc so i guess it can't get any more disappointing than that
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How did it go from "we're gonna use these amazing interceptors to end their 0.0 dream" to
"oh it's pointless to try ending their 0.0 dream like this"
Or perhaps, this is a clever misdirection? I suppose it is time to see if people are buying up interceptors en masse
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This is a forum, walls of posts are the bare minimum to even be noticeable.
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Borachon wrote:Eli Apol wrote: A simple slight tweak of the module stats can completely negate this terrifying tactic WITHOUT removing nullified ships from the potential threats to vacant sov.
I'm glad you agree with all of the people you've spent the last 30 pages arguing with. If Fozzie would give us some actual base stats, we might be able to actually make progress here, discussing concrete proposals and tweaks. As it is, though, the basically-contentless initial post in this thread looks more and more like him trolling the entire community than anything else. It worked and ensured that everyone wasted their initial energy on this.
I guess the stats will appear just before the full release or something fun like that. It's like a sov war, ironically. You need to get the badguys to feel tired... fatigued, if you will, before the real attack begins
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This is in F&I, like the afk claoking thread, they're basically lightning rods. It's a bore-off, except we thunderdome and ccp doesn't do anything.
Though the poor chaps that have to clean the thread... shrug
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Freedom Nadd wrote:gascanu wrote:i really don't understand why CCP wants those sov tools to be fitted on ceptors/frigs; after years and years of needing caps/supercaps for taking sov, now we are going to completely the other extreme around, you only need one ceptor....
like really, can anyone find this a bit ********? how about some balance? why this link "must" be allowed on ceptors? why would anyone use another ship type for harassing sov holders around?
a big fight with tidi and caps/supercaps on field can last hours, so while an alliance is involved in one for example, a gang of 20 ceptors/bombers will be able to reinforce half a region with proposed mechanics... really CCP you are going to extreme with this instead of a more "balanced" option A basic fact so many who started playing post 2007 fail to realise .... CCP are the biggest trolls involved in this game. The whole ethos of the company was based around making their game as hardcore as possible. EVE grew too big for them, they had to change to a more normal interaction with customers, and then the unmentionable incident happened spawning the yearly popularity contest and Greed is Good, reinforcing that at its core CCP does not give a damn about its players. What we are now seeing is CCP desperately trying to reset the last 7 years. Do they care if their subs drop back to 2007 levels? Not a chance because with their jettisoning of WoD and Seattle they can now concentrate on trolling its players again. They do not want stability, they do not WANT to deal with large fights. If anything they would be perfectly happy with sub 20k online players. This is the CCP we deserve. Keep calm and drink from the cup that is given to you. The developers we deserve. And we're the worst people.
Why did it turn out this wayyyyy
Discussion Entosis Link Trolling and Forum Posting
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It doesn't matter for fast you align etc in other fits because the untargeted area of effect interdiction will stop you no matter what
unless you're interdiction nullified... so basically an interceptor or a nullified t3. Some doctrines do use it though (mostly the shooting one person then running tengu)
I do get that people like to be able to just ignore the mechanic. It's nice to not be jammable or dampable when you get in certain undockable ships, after all
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Freedom Nadd wrote:Or could it just be bad game design and a instinctive dislike of the "Plexing 4 Sov" themepark that CCP seems intent on inflicting on us. I can't wait to grind some GSF Loyalty Points to prove that I participated in defending deklein from massadeath of moa who committed to ending our 0.0 dream
Demonstrating one's loyalty to the cause is the greatest joy in a cold and harsh eve online
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:afkalt wrote: Well then there's no problem.
Speaking of, I'm still curious as to the problem. I could fail fit a battlecruiser that aligns so fast it couldnt even be caught by an inty entering the system and troll you with that and still breaks 6.3km/s to break grids. Were I so clinically dumb.
So really...when we get down to it...it's the bubbles. People hate that the can't hide behind walls of bubbles. I get that but what is the eve mantra...ah yes...HTFU.
Or maybe people just have a fundamental hate for the module and are masking it behind the inty smokescreen. I don't know, I just know I can smell the bullshit wafting from this thread on Saturn.
Going by that logic, bubbles shouldn't exist. Honor brawls with module points only right? HTFU and all... Something about off grid boosts, falcon alts, etc etc
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Actually, only like nadot renters ***use bubbles now.
Everyone else doesn't because roaming gangs most prefer to simply ignore bubbles, with... guess what???
Yeah, interceptor gangs.
*** Only if there are renters there, most of nadot sov is not rented out simply because there's so much. So it's just empty except for I guess moons being mined.
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Rowells wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Actually, only like nadot renters ***use bubbles now.
Everyone else doesn't because roaming gangs most prefer to simply ignore bubbles, with... guess what???
Yeah, interceptor gangs.
*** Only if there are renters there, most of nadot sov is not rented out simply because there's so much. So it's just empty except for I guess moons being mined. I would argue that interceptors were chosen as popularity because of bubbles. People might be willing to use other things more often if clusterbubbles weren't a thing. Not advocating anything there, just observing Well at least in dek it's less of clusterbubbles but Sabres waiting to catch you...
But if you can just ignore the sabre because the bubble does nothing, it's a nice bonus to a a ship that moves very fast
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:afkalt wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:afkalt wrote: Speaking of, I'm still curious as to the problem. I could fail fit a battlecruiser that aligns so fast it couldnt even be caught by an inty entering the system and troll you with that and still breaks 6.3km/s to break grids. Were I so clinically dumb.
So really...when we get down to it...it's the bubbles. People hate that the can't hide behind walls of bubbles. I get that but what is the eve mantra...ah yes...HTFU.
Or maybe people just have a fundamental hate for the module and are masking it behind the inty smokescreen. I don't know, I just know I can smell the bullshit wafting from this thread on Saturn.
Going by that logic, bubbles shouldn't exist. Honor brawls with module points only right? HTFU and all... Or maybe I have higher expectations of what defending things ought to be. So at least we've bottomed it out now. The "problem"...sorry - witch you're trying hunt - is nullification. The same thing regularly cried about, because it makes inattentive bears sad pandas. How exactly would you, defend sov and deal with every other ceptor that comes to entosis your stuff? I think the intention is that you can't. This will shake up sov, unlike well... fatigue
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Zazad Antollare wrote:im wondering if fozzie liked any idea in this thread or it just a waste of words Hmm
Actually, I'm wondering if fozzie even read any idea in this thead
This is what I think will happen: "hey, thanks for the feedback, here's our new and improved** entosis link" **it's the same one they had earlier, which they didn't share the details of "ok, since everyone should like it, we're good to go for release
and then people who make interceptors became uberrich and quit eve
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:What the political meta needs to counter this change in mechanics... is a real blue donut to keep the smaller groups out. Why do you think the dev blog is called "politics by other means"
CCP intends to use these mechanics (other means) to enforce a change in politics.
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Miner Hottie wrote:MASSADEATH wrote:Corey Lean wrote:MASSADEATH wrote:The whole point is to end the sprawling wasteland of empty SOV space.... and this should do it. If a 30,000 man alliance cant have a few people with entosis ships on the standby to stop SOV attacks on thier structures then they dont deserve that space No the point is about fights. Mr. Fozzie the the design goals and end-state of all these changes is to generate fights by controlling the grid through force of arms, not slippery petes or interceptors. So that should exclude the usual suspects from this conversation about sovereignty. so come out and fight...it will be YOUR choice to defend YOUR space or not..... maybe you will have to PvP instead of ratting 24/7? or perhaps you will be forced into 1-5 systems instead of who knows how many you guys "own" And i use the word "own" loosely as they are empty anyway. Forget the past...this is the new future....and it seems to be burning BRIGHT :) What CCP needs to do..is tie POS/moon goo to SOV as well.... so it breaks your ISK control over the game :) That is goddam rich coming from you lot, hugging the undock in 5zz and refusing to fight us in your prime time. But they don't have a prime time because no sov so
Besides that's the mordus NPCs sov... so...
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:It is hard to imagine this being playtested on Sisi because so much of it WILL be psyops. So we can theroycraft and posture all you want . . . it will be tested when the rubber hits the road. Aren't you just the most useless CSM then? Is this what you've been saying in your official capacity as well? "Gee man, we just don't knowwwwwwww. Forget about trying to predict scenarios where this balance change might fail, just keep throwing **** at the problem and see what sticks instead of getting it right the first time, or as close to it as we can get." It's what CCP likes to do, so it seems they're of the same mind...
So basically this discussion is pointless. But we knew that, this was just a call to post
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Stacking more and more required entosis time. Ah, this new version of structure shooting lasering sounds great.
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:It is hard to imagine this being playtested on Sisi because so much of it WILL be psyops. So we can theroycraft and posture all you want . . . it will be tested when the rubber hits the road. Aren't you just the most useless CSM then? Is this what you've been saying in your official capacity as well? "Gee man, we just don't knowwwwwwww. Forget about trying to predict scenarios where this balance change might fail, just keep throwing **** at the problem and see what sticks instead of getting it right the first time, or as close to it as we can get." The really fun part is that it's on purpose. He's not stupid, he's trying to push his agenda. Ah, another person who wants to grasp hold of the -ultimate weapon- to end our 0.0 dream.
I mean this sort of thing also happened with fatigue, but I'm sure this time... it will be different.
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Borachon wrote:Dras Malar wrote:These calculations about isk expenditures on both sides are assuming that the attacker is trying to win the isk war and isn't just trying to annoy you to death. Even if it costs more in interceptors than your ihub is worth it could still be worth it to take your sov just to burn you out in the long war. In big sov wars, I absolutely agree, because morale and burnout are what counts in the long run. However, the basic economics of it are so bad, that you'd never even get to the long run unless you, for example, made ihubs and their upgrades a lot cheaper and easier to install. Well basically the isk cost as well as the transport cost (but remember the 0.0 vision of freighter convoys) are both relevant.
It's still likely that eventually you'd just see unihubbed areas, and then the ratting etc is so bad no one lives there, making it even less worthwhile to bother defending or ihubbing it.
So thus, the farm burns down and the fields get overgrown with spaceweeds (not the type you smoke).
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Burl en Daire wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:It is hard to imagine this being playtested on Sisi because so much of it WILL be psyops. So we can theroycraft and posture all you want . . . it will be tested when the rubber hits the road. Aren't you just the most useless CSM then? Is this what you've been saying in your official capacity as well? "Gee man, we just don't knowwwwwwww. Forget about trying to predict scenarios where this balance change might fail, just keep throwing **** at the problem and see what sticks instead of getting it right the first time, or as close to it as we can get." It's what CCP likes to do, so it seems they're of the same mind... So basically this discussion is pointless. But we knew that, this was just a call to post They try to predict what is going to happen but it is nearly impossible to predict what we are going to do with the changes. The discussion isn't pointless and if it is why are still posting? Kind of like sov null is worthless and pointless but yet you still live there. Just seems odd to me that so many people flock to pointless endeavors. It's important to for a particular reason.
Let's say it's a bet of sorts.
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Yeah, massadeath is to cause us to abandon our sov and we'll have to run to other places where we will soon perish is what we will be doing after these changes.
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Burl en Daire wrote:Yroc Jannseen wrote: I think most of the CFC have a pretty good idea what we are going to do with these changes.
I look forward to watching things burn for a while but we shouldn't forget that some doors swing both ways. Exactly. Massadeath is waiting for grasp the sov laser. It's throbbing green module activation light will end us.
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But Brave is already fighting PL and ...
are you taking their moons or just being farmed as "content" for them?
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FT Diomedes wrote:afkalt wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:Sigras wrote:Really this whole thread is trying to answer one question, what is "effective military control"?
If I have 20 battleships and 10 guardians on grid and you have 30 vagabonds and 10 scimitars on grid who has "effective military control"? Sure I cant catch you, but you cannot come near my fleet or you die.
Does a super kite-y fleet with the ability to run away exert military control?
The biggest problem is that the answer to that question IS going to effect the fleet meta out in 0.0 and there is no getting around that. You have 20 battleships and 10 guardians on one one system. You have no presence in another 5 systems of the constellation but somehow feel entitled to "hold" them. Fixed that there. So, what you are saying is that unless you are the size of Goonswarm, no alliance should hold more than one system? Because one system is already three different grids to defend (TCU, IHub, Station). Assume instead of a few interceptors attacking you, you get attacked by a decent sized alliance. With all your eggs in one basket, you are pretty much screwed. So, how many people can one system support? About ten ratters, a couple of ice miners, and a couple of miners, assuming it is an awesome system. So tell me, how is this going to work? You have the wrong 0.0 dream, I think.
It's supposed to be endless capture-the-flag (or sov laser the structure) and you actually live elsewhere...
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Grats on a self-congratulatory troll post.
It fits will in a thread about trolling sov
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Wanda Fayne wrote:Burl en Daire wrote:Wanda Fayne wrote:
I like the fuel idea, but it will die with the other good ideas...
Now lets cut to the chase:
As a revolutionary idea, lets put the meat on the table and require the entosis link to have a PLEX in the cargohold to activate. Does not consume it, just requires it to be in the ship for the link to work.
1. No trolling without substantial risk 2. Any ship in the game can carry one 3. Requires no additional modifications to the existing proposals.
I dare anyone to defeat this idea, as it nails the trolling argument coffin closed.
I love the idea but the cost barrier is a bit steep. If I was in a smaller gang and wanted to provoke a fight in null using an Elink it would take 700m just to do it, not counting hulls, fits or implants. I would vote it in but I think the entry barrier is too high for this particular mechanic. Also, it would allow only the super rich to troll any group at any time because as many have said, interceptors can't be caught. Take the recent minilove theft, 250B gone and it's no big deal, that is like 350 PLEX that could go to trolling and not many other organizations could do that. True, but the defender will also be sporting one, now isn't that raising your interest already? Edit: Are you there to provoke a fight, or seriously contend for sov? If you're going to die, just quickly use the plex and get 30 days more subscription time to troll sov...
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Oh so it's about us again huh.
Well it isn't that surprising, our 0.0 dream has to be ended after all
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:No, Game mechanics vs stagnation Aaaaand he dodges my entire callout. GJ. Our 0.0 dream is stagnation.
So it has to be ended.
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Just safe up and cloak.
Pretend it is a mass afk cloak op.
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No fights and no kills.
Ah this is great content we got here.
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Basically, it's because everyone, like massadeath, sees themselves as being a potential attacker
while people with sov, like evil blobbing coalitions, won't have a choice in being the defender
Thus it is important to ensure the attacker gets as much as possible out of the entosis link mechanic. otherwise how will moa end our 0.0 nightmare
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Eli Apol wrote:baltec1 wrote:This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread. Supercap owners only? you can contest sov without using supercaps in the current system we do it with torpedo bombers and ishtars all the time it just really sucks It's easier after the sov structure ehp nerf
Ask northernassociates.
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No I'm pretty sure they already know how it will work.
They want to do it to us, so they have to hide this by pretending the pilots are much stupider at piloting the sovtrollship than they themselves are.
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Look, quit teaching them howto use their trollceptors when the sov lasers come out, tia
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They're basically going through all of their worries and getting you to teach them how to not die horribly. So they're now even more prepared to sov laser when it inevitably gets put into the game pretty much as it is.
EDIT: You/we/whoever even efted for them exactly what fit to use, too... earlier in this thread or the other one
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Duffyman wrote:What I still don't understand is why certain entities are pushing so hard for ceptors to be allowed to use sov laser. Do you even plan to take and keep sov? Will you defend it with interceptors? No they just plan to wreck our sov.
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Lena Lazair wrote:baltec1 wrote: This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread.
I'm on board with this, if it also goes both ways and no CFC member can ever post in a lowsec, FW, highsec missioning/mining, highsec wardec, or WH thread, ever again. I'll have my space lawyer write up the contract and get back to your diplos... the mistake here is that you are ascribing our supposed inexperience with these areas of gameplay by our alliance ticker alone when you are ascribing your observed inexperience with 0.0 by your words But fweddit are FW people
And we have wormhole groups
Also we have people who gank and do highsec wardecs (though mostly it's more costefficient to just gank)
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Philip Ogtaulmolfi wrote:Sigras wrote:To the people stating that trollceptors dont matter because you can counter them with a friendly entosis link...
Picture this Scenario
I have a fleet of 300 coming to capture your system after we reinforced it last night, but I dont like Fozzie's idea of splitting my fleet up to capture command nodes in different systems... So i allocate 20 of my ships as trollceptors. I send 4 of them to each command node to prevent it from being captured and move my other 260 people around capping the modules one by one. No need to split up my fleet, no risk of loss. Yea, I take my 20 ship fleet, split in four 5 ship fleets and after 40 minutes you lose the battle. So basically instead take 256 (max in a fleet anyway)
and the other 44 split up and send double the people to each thing that your 20 fleet does
I mean this is hardly surprising
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Zappity wrote:baltec1 wrote: This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread.
This is wrong. The fact that you do not find the current, broken sov system interesting and worth getting invested in should not exclude you from commenting on the new system, which will hopefully repair some of that brokenness. Otherwise the only feedback will be from people who find the current system acceptable. Oh so you're making excuses for not knowing now.
It's fine really, ccp will rather listen to you than evil cfc people anyway, just rant away about ending our 0.0 nightmare
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Lets focus on your earlier post where you ask for people to suggest ways to kill an interceptor
despite what you probably assumed this is one of those cases dropping supercaps on it doesn't work Smartbombing
though pl did lose titan smartbombing on a gate in lowsec
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Yroc Jannseen wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:alternatively just hard lock all ships to minimum 3s align except pod and shuttle
look at how easy it is to fix eve Case in point - what does align time matter when an Interceptor is using an Entosis link and can't warp off? Oh noes, the inty aligned on me! All is lost!~~ This entire thread is an exercise in narrative control. Some individuals and/or groups don't like interceptors and will use any excuse to try and get them nerfed. If this thread was about narrative control there'd be more than half a dozen people from the CFC involved. It's like sov trolling, we just need to keep posting and moving to the next post until all the defenders give up on their sov
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Syn Shi wrote:The only think that will fix Null is when too many people get bored and find something else to spend their money on.
It may create more content for smaller corps but if the big corps choose they can make it so no one will be able to hold anything unless they pay them.........no change.
Stagnant null with some small gimicky fights to throw up more "look how many ships have been lost". So, like sov trolling, they need to bore us out of null?
So, with a method like sov trolling then....
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FT Diomedes wrote:Why is this important? Because only large blocs will be able to seriously attack another large bloc using Trollsov. If they choose not to attack each other, because REASONS, then we are left with a Trollsov system that is even worse for small groups (who can be trolled by all and sundry) and Nullsec will still appear stagnant on the sov front. Not as long as the smal groups don't have any sov and only want to end the sov of the big groups
eg: massdeath of moa will end us just because apparently moa are the best paid mercs or something
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They're rather optimistic about this too.
But doubtless it's spin, or ?? (And it's mostly random cfc people here, as well)
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: Seriously, this system is so severely biased for goons I wonder who actually came up with it.
agreed, for this reason we need to ensure interceptors cannot use entosis links For this reason this system needs to be rethinked from the ground up, without participation of CCPeople who are know as goon lap dogs. Basically, you want a "discussion" that's just all of you having 0.0 fantasies about ending evil cfc
So a hilarious echochamber "discussion". Go have it on reddit or something
You're likely to just get whatever has been planned anyway, since I doubt they'll change much so might as well begin planning out your interceptor fits and start buying so you won't have to when everything is overpriced just before/after the patch
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Promiscuous Female wrote:http://i.imgur.com/2Q5eKBf.jpg
no stop it what are you doing PLEASE NO DON'T DO THIS AAAAAAA It's the sound of our 0.0 dream being taken away by massadeath's terrifyingly huge
sov laser
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bobjoe9 wrote:If alliances are holding to much sov(they are for renting reasons) why not just ban renting sov in the EULA/TOS. No reason to hold 80+ systems anymore instead of making alliances defend sov for 4 hours a day when most people only play for a few hours a day. This would be great.
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Basically, you want a "discussion" that's just all of you having 0.0 fantasies about ending evil cfc
So a hilarious echochamber "discussion". Go have it on reddit or something
You're likely to just get whatever has been planned anyway, since I doubt they'll change much so might as well begin planning out your interceptor fits and start buying so you won't have to when everything is overpriced just before/after the patch I don't want a discussion. I want a system not made for one coalition, not made by people who balance the game exclusively in the interest of the said coalition. Yes,true: the removal of us from discussion is only means to an end
ie a system that makes it as easy as possible for people like you to end 0.0 dream of people like us.
How about a magic button in jita that drops all sov
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Kristian Hackett wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:The amount of laughs I'm getting from the "wah no interceptors" crowd is amazing. There's a bajillion ways to deal with interceptors, be it a single one or a full fleet of them. Needless to say, for those of your worried about a full fleet of interceptors, if you don't have the manpower to protect your core systems from that there's a bigger issue at hand. You need to deal with a bunch of interceptors trolling your system, build a freaking kill squad! Cruor + Garmur for tackle, then something to lay on the DPS (drone cruiser would be a great option here) and a logi just to play it safe. 4 ships, and you can go around swatting ceptors like a Japanese Giant Hornet through a hive of honey bees. interceptors hold still and allow themselves to be destroyed in my fantasies too, how bizarre You do realize that you can catch an interceptor that's running an Entosis Link, right? They have to sit in range of the structure while the cycle runs, so if a Garmur can land mid cycle AT ZERO on grid, all it has to do is OH a WD2 and bam, Interceptor isn't warping off, and it can OH a MWD and close faster than the interceptor can react. At 13.6km it can apply a WS2 and that Interceptor might as well be standing still. At MOST the interceptor has 10 seconds from the time it can see the Garmur on D-scan to GTFO, but once you factor in "being human" you're really only looking at maybe 6-7 seconds to get out of the high speed orbit to warping out. Seems like a lot of time, until you start figuring in server connection latency and then suddenly you're looking at a very tight window in which you can run away. Hah someone missed the point about moving to the next objective
basically the point about trollceptors
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Is there a way we can shift the focus of the thread towards anything BUT interceptors for a while? Between the two threads; over 4,000 posts have been nothing but interceptor stuff. Everyone and their brother knows about the interceptor deal! We would be doing ourselves a great disservice if we did not take some time to talk about the other aspects of the Entosis Link. The aspect where it goes on an interceptor is very important.
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:The amount of laughs I'm getting from the "wah no interceptors" crowd is amazing. There's a bajillion ways to deal with interceptors, be it a single one or a full fleet of them. Needless to say, for those of your worried about a full fleet of interceptors, if you don't have the manpower to protect your core systems from that there's a bigger issue at hand. You need to deal with a bunch of interceptors trolling your system, build a freaking kill squad! Cruor + Garmur for tackle, then something to lay on the DPS (drone cruiser would be a great option here) and a logi just to play it safe. 4 ships, and you can go around swatting ceptors like a Japanese Giant Hornet through a hive of honey bees. interceptors hold still and allow themselves to be destroyed in my fantasies too, how bizarre You do realize that you can catch an interceptor that's running an Entosis Link, right? They have to sit in range of the structure while the cycle runs, so if a Garmur can land mid cycle AT ZERO on grid, all it has to do is OH a WD2 and bam, Interceptor isn't warping off, and it can OH a MWD and close faster than the interceptor can react. At 13.6km it can apply a WS2 and that Interceptor might as well be standing still. At MOST the interceptor has 10 seconds from the time it can see the Garmur on D-scan to GTFO, but once you factor in "being human" you're really only looking at maybe 6-7 seconds to get out of the high speed orbit to warping out. Seems like a lot of time, until you start figuring in server connection latency and then suddenly you're looking at a very tight window in which you can run away. every person who tries to post complicated anti-interceptor vignettes assumes the interceptor is orbiting why would you do that if no one is on grid It's basically like a stawman, except we can call it "the easily caught inty"
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Regardless, CCP said that if something gets out of hand they will make some adjustments. How reassured you are is so cute and adorable.
You're a very brave newbie
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baltec1 wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:So basically only unoccupied systems will be easy prey for these interceptors of doom. I'm ok with this. It strangely sounds like it is working as intended. Regardless, CCP said that if something gets out of hand they will make some adjustments. They aren't there to take space, their job is to harass the enemy into defending their sov every day while not engaging them in any fights. If they do take space then that's just an added bonus. The entire point of them is to sap the moral of the defenders over the span of months. Trolling us to death is not in any way "out of hand" I'm sure.
Indeed, in many ways it might be the best outcome.
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Lena Lazair wrote:baltec1 wrote:They aren't there to take space, their job is to harass the enemy into defending their sov every day while not engaging them in any fights. If they do take space then that's just an added bonus. The entire point of them is to sap the moral of the defenders over the span of months. Wait wait wait... you mean every single day goons will voluntarily fly predictably fit inty's into my space during my prime time play hours? I don't have to go on a 60j roam looking for them? I don't have to camp a gate for 4 days waiting for someone to wander by? I can just sit in my home system in my favorite anti-trollceptor setup of the day and they will continuously bring me PvP and KMs on a regular basis? Holy crap, please sign me up for this morale-draining experience. Nice spin.
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Miner Hottie wrote:Falin Whalen wrote: Oh c'mon now, we will only let the puppy FCs gnaw on them like a chewtoy. They are so cute when they are murdering clueless idiots who think they got a chance.
Too true and it will be funny to read the complaints of some hi sec wanna be when we have bubbled wrapped his station and POS. That being said, you know as well as i do that once DBRB figures this out all semblance of cute and adorable goes out the window. I would be less worried about DBRB than the leader of our sov-trolling SIG that doesn't exist
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FT Diomedes wrote:Lena Lazair wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:I like how you think we will be going to your home system. Youre so cute. No we will be running around where you are not and you have to play wack-a-mole till you get fed up not catching any of us, and having to go on CTA button orbiting ops every day after till the servers go dark, or you quit and go to highsec. I think you will quit before we do. For you. Why would we have more than one or two systems to harass, unless we actually had pilots in each of those systems to defend them? This idea that small alliances, or ANYone, will be able to hold dozens of systems at an average density of 0 to 2 people per system is pretty much a non-starter in Fozziesov. So yeah, if you want to harass my sov, you'll be coming to my one or two home systems. I don't really care how the large blocs manage to sort out their defensive problems :) So, how many people can you support in a given system? Do you have any idea about that? Edit - not only that... have you ever run logistics to really deep 0.0 space as a small alliance or corporation? That alone can be a full-time job. There is a reason that larger organizations, who can distribute the effort required more widely, are more successful. If it is less than the number needed to hold it then guess what
Suddenly a wasteland. Op success. Great success!!
It's more of a shakeup than fatigue, that's for sure.
Remember when being tired meant we would be more active?
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I should point out that even if we reduce the amount of extraneous sov we hold, for whatever reason given, it will be "didn't want that sov anyway EH", "goon tears", and "CFC is collapsing"
Basically, you should totally sign up with massadeath to join in as Moa picks apart our sov laser-ridden corpse.
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It's actually fine to hold less sov (specifically, the non-station ones) since the enemy can't hold it long enough to do dangerous things like put up jump bridges (now very fatiguing) or cyno jammers (and you can take gates now)
Since, you know, it's basically asking to be sov trolled if you try and get a foothold sov... now with stations that is trouble, then again enemy is unlikely to seriously stage there if you can take it back fast too (since command nodes will spawn probably even further into your home, making it hard for them to defend)
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It doesn't matter just like the "oh it's not a problem" people (who are fantasizing about ending our 0.0 dream), it's obvious that fozzie has decided that it's perfectly fine (and is probably also fantasizing about our 0.0 dream being ended) so there's no point to discussing.
All it took was fozzie to reinforce fozzie's belief that everything is A-OK and therefore ready for primetime.
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Borachon wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:All of the current discussion from the past 5 pages is why I feel that Cruiser-class ships and below should only be able to fit the short range, long time T1 module. The long range, short time T2 should only be available to BC-class ships and above. No trollceptor issues, no T3s running about being a thorn in everybody's backsides, and it will encourage a lot of variations in fleet sizes and tactics. The problem is that there are, as others have pointed out, many legitimate frigate and cruiser fleet compositions for which the T1 link doesn't let them reflect that they are contesting the grid. BRAVE Eagles, BL/CFC Tengus, and CFC Harpies all fall in this category. Fleet AB Harpies (with an engagement envelope of 70km) are very different from fleet AB Eagles (with an engagement envelope of 150km), on the other hand, so they probably can't be dealt with the same. Ironically, I would imagine this might take on a specialist role where you might have the "long-range sov laser interceptor" types whose job is to apply sov laser and run around, while the actual fleet fights the enemy.
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Jessy Andersteen wrote:There is no issue with the Link and the ceptor: If a defender ally couln't bring a Maulus,a Griffin, an hyena, a keres, a razu, a lachesis, a rapier or an huggin on the grid means only one thing: sovereignty must be lose.
Trollceptor is a myth: farmers in null sec only want a nerf about the interceptor: they want to be safe with their farm ship in anoms, that's all. yes yes of course. our tears, massdeath will end us, blah blah blah
better go buy your interceptors and fits now rather than after everyone else has driven up the price. wouldn't want to be overpaying to end our 0.0 nightmare
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:All of the current discussion from the past 5 pages ...ignores the previous 70 where small hulls were basically argued to death as being a non-issue for suitably prepared defenders. Except they're not. Yes let's just claim that the problem is totally solved.
Anyway fozzie basically posted "oh yeah it's fine" so it doesn't matter they're already convinced. Aren't you proud? Your F&I thread strategy has helped cement the methods (sov lasers & interceptors) that will allow you to -finally- end our 0.0 dream.
You should be proud, your posting op was a great success in achieving the strategic objective.
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Yroc Jannseen wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:All of the current discussion from the past 5 pages ...ignores the previous 70 where small hulls were basically argued to death as being a non-issue for suitably prepared defenders. Except they're not. Still waiting to hear how they outrun a 10mn tactical destroyer whilst their entosis cycle ends. So yeah, they are. Well the reality is, in Eve it usually doesn't matter if there is a paper counter to a mechanic that is being abused and makes people's lives miserable. A lot of people will argue there were counters to drone assist. Basically, it's up to use to actually do it.
And like always people will be like "oooh please dooooooo" and then later on it's like "ugggh this sucks, someone (ie: ccp) stop themmmm"
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Note that if, say, a coalition that exists just to destroy us abuses trolling sov to end us, it will be a magnificant op success. Like a natural-20 sort of op success.
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Alp Khan wrote: And no, before any no-commitment type trolls try to lie and deceive anyone, you can't realistically probe down a frigate running at 4000m/s+ speeds, by the time the prober lands on the probed down position, trollceptor is already 100k away!
Actually you can, just ask anyone in Miniluv. The task isn't essentially different from landing at zero on a moving miner. Yes, I know, miners are slower, but small blasters also have smaller optimal than Hyena webs. You need a scout who is in line with the 1-2M km offgrid safe the catcher will come: Catcher --- Scout ---- Troll The scout watches transversal speed. When the trollceptor has low transversal, it flies towards the scout. Flight time from a near perch is about 6-8 secs. So probe, warp to 30, you'll land right on it. Not like it would matter, he just shrugs, grabs another trollceptor and comes again. no no no
this is the point where you go "oh ho ho I can't wait get get all your interceptor killmails muahahahaha come at my sov bro"
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Arrendis wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Well this thread has slowed considerably. Eventually everybody gets tired of running laps. Just waiting to see if there will be a reply. everyone agrees it's perfectly balanced and ready for prime time
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Zakks wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Zakks wrote:There's always that biomass button, if you don't like the game anymore. Isn't it funny that instead of trying to find a compromise or a solution that would work for both sides, people are so quick to try to push others out of the game? No. I am a newer player to Eve, deciding whether or not I will stay. And the sense of pompous entitlement in this game is likely going to make me choose another. Which is too bad, because the game is great. But it is broken. Even a newbro can see that. Unless the entitled are willing to let go of the past and embrace a new future you will see new players like me move on to something else that is more welcoming. It has become a game for the 'old boys club'. And your numbers are shrinking. I respect those who have played this game and achieved things, fought enormous battles and built empires. But you are just another player. Give the newbros a chance too. peace Hilarious you say that to one of our karmafleet people.
I know, the instant someone new appears in our alliance they're instantly not actually new anymore and become brainwashed pawns
Zakks wrote:Unless the entitled are willing to let go of the past and embrace a new future Don't worry, fozzie will force us, by letting massadeath ram his long (250km!!) sov laser down our throat
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Syn Shi wrote:Its funny that you don;t realize that Goons are part of the problem. No, goons are the problem, and ending our 0.0 nightmare is the solution
Well for CCP, creating sovlasers (so that massadeath can end out 0.0 nightmare) is the solution
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Lena Lazair wrote:Which, I think, is probably one of the unspoken goals of this change anyway... to make it more apparent just how empty and varied nullsec occupancy actually is, once you strip away any need for coalition-level supercap fleet leases. Rental space will be fractured and a lot more space will simply go completely unclaimed (or change hands so often as to be effectively unclaimed). Sounds like a much greater success then fatigue (which was a great success and shook up null)
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Alp Khan wrote:Mike, it was my expectation from you as a CSM member to ask the difficult questions to CCP and question everything that has been told by developers to protect the interests of players. But you are repeatedly asking us to blindly trust in CCP, and accept everything they say as a fact. This makes it seem like you are only here to defend the interests of CCP as a company, or perhaps, in a manner similar to a CCP employee.
Are you sure that this is the correct approach a CSM should be taking? You should be presenting us and the rightful concerns cited again and again under this thread, not the other way around. Voting is over already, now it's time for them to do their job so ccp will be happy with them.
I'm sure they've heartily approved of sov lasers
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baltec1 wrote:And how much fun are you going to have guarding that thing for 4 hours a day, every day while the trollcepters and t3 destryoyers buzz around?
People want fights not stag duty in space. Exactly, we will have to give up our 0.0 dream because massadeath's swarms will fatigue us to death.
It will shake up sov. Great success. Expect many goon tears.
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baltec1 wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:This system is meant to disrupt the status quo, and do it in a big way. And it will, it just doesn't need trollcepters and t3 destroyers to do it. Relevant part bolded.
Op success.
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Dras Malar wrote:This emphasis on trollceptors is indicative of the real problem. The reason why people keep talking about trollceptors is because nobody is serious about actually taking space. No one wants to take sov except as a joke. Well we've had loads of people wanting to end our 0.0 dream but they don't have one themselves.
Given the successes seen in ending us, it would been to be a waste of planning time to lay out what to do afterwards.
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davet517 wrote:baltec1 wrote: We have been telling you we will deploy these things by the hundreds to thousands in small gangs.
Against whom? This isn't high-sec ganking. There isn't anyone out there that you can do this to who can't do it back. And then there are all those (NPC and low-sec entities) for whom you are a target, while they are not. I don't really think you're complaining about this because you want CCP to save Eve from you. Yes, they will end our 0.0 nightmare.
It's exactly as hoped for in ccp's 0.0 vision.
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Remember that no matter how unfun things become for the players, daddy will make us do it.
And we will, because we love our family very very much. More than we actually love the game itself. ... daddy?
So it's come down to this...
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Gorski Car wrote:There are so many things you can do to counter trollceptors I cant help but think that this is a vocal minority overreacting and creating doomsday scenarios. Quote:Verge of Collapse [CRIT] This alliance is currently not claiming any systems.
Yes, it seems they can tear apart people's tender sov while not having any sov to lose.
These are the people who will end our 0.0 nightmare.
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Miner Hottie wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: In other words, "yo CCP, why you get low sec all up in my null sec?" lol If getting some lowsec all up in their nullsec gets the average line pilot out in space on a regular basis, risking life and limb, creating a vibrant maelstrom of destruction on a daily basis - as opposed to folks playing DOTA while AFKtaring and waiting for a ping - then I think that's an excellent goal for CCP to shoot for. You're right. Lowsec pilots are fundamentally different than the average nullbear. We don't take our personal security for granted, we don't rely on passive bubblecamps for defense, we don't assume a "reputation tank" will keep our assets safe from harm, we PvE in PvP fit boats. Nullsec could use a shakeup, and if its pilots become less risk averse pansy fleetbears reliant on a supercap umbrella and "reputation tank" then the entirety of EVE will probably be better off for it. Beats chest about being space brave compared to average null sec memeber and being prepared to lose his ships, all from the safety of an NPC station which can't be conquered, can't be bubble camped and can never be properly hell camped. You then spout about defensive bubbles. Wow, talk abouy living in the past, Fozzie fixed that when he gave inties bubble immunity. Back to low sec with you and your opinions son. As if you can make them leave?
Please, interdiction nullified platforms for sov lasers, it's you who will be leaving null sec
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:From what I am seeing, Goons are preparing for this and relishing it. A lot of their indy pilots are getting shot enroute to go "bank" assets in Low and High Sec stations. I hadn't heard about this. They're idiots.
Name and shame.
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Veskrashen wrote:And, if you think this doesn't do away with N+1, you don't understand the concept at all. Having 1000 Trollceptors with zero tank and no rep capability on the same field as 500 guys in Gilas / Eagles / Tengus / whatever the FOTM anti-frig fit is and you'll see that it's no longer about pure numbers alone. Stawmannnnnnn
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Miner Hottie wrote:Wanda Fayne wrote:Miner Hottie wrote: You have to get out of this narrow, simplistic 1 v 1 or general small gang epeen polishing warfare exercise and think big. See the possibilities; fozziesov is like pouring petrol over all of new enden and handing everyone, including the neighbourhood gang of sociopaths a box of matches and then expecting everyone to just light small fire's to keep them warm. Some us just want to see the world burn and who cares who gets hurt.
I'll bring the marshmallows (and an entosis laser) Don't build what you can't afford to lose? Don't hold sov if goons can take it off you. No wonder why massadeath will be the one to end us
they don't have any sov.
(Or perhaps PL? They hold moons... and no sov so)
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Alp Khan wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Veskrashen wrote:And, if you think this doesn't do away with N+1, you don't understand the concept at all. Having 1000 Trollceptors with zero tank and no rep capability on the same field as 500 guys in Gilas / Eagles / Tengus / whatever the FOTM anti-frig fit is and you'll see that it's no longer about pure numbers alone. Stawmannnnnnn It's not just he is using logical fallacies including that straw man you called out. It's also that he already admitted to looking forward to exploit a broken combination like a trollceptor which will allow him to buzz around in an uncatchable ship and troll sov holders. He wants this exploit to be ignored by the developers. Therefore, he resorts to deception and manipulation. Yes, it's obviously the case.
You can't both believe it's a useless trick but also be fantasizing about ending our 0.0dream with it, one must be a spin tactic, and of course we know CCP both wants to believe it's not going to be a problem, but will be used to **legit** end our 0.0 nightmare.
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Miner Hottie wrote:What we can hold may or may not change post fozziesov, but what we can conquer is now only limited by our time and everyone elses commitment. We can conceivably burn all of null sec now and we will try and if we succeed too easily it wont be a blue donut its will be the north west and a wasteland. That isn't good for the game at all. Null generates the news stories for CCP, lets hope the news isnt "CCP changes game mechanic and ruins 1/3 of space". Nah, massadeath will end us
There will only be wasteland
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Tear Jar wrote:The most important thing(in my mind) is that the Entosis links should be very expensive on release. You can always reduce the price as time goes on. If you make them too cheap, you can't easily increase the price later because people will have already stockpiled them.
And price is the easiest counter to troll Entosis ships. If killing troll ships is profitable enough, then people will defend their space naturally. No, No, No, No, No. Cost cannot be used as part of the balance equation. Have people learned nothing from Supercaps? If you make E-links a billion a piece, that is still half the cost of a carrier, the third of a cost of a suicide Dread, the cost of two T3'a, all things we throw around like they are nothing. All cost does is price out new groups; every established group, be it an existing sov-holder, wormhole dweller, or NPC null dweller, will think nothing of dropping the price of 5 Titans in to e-links on the first day they are available. Especially now Titans and Supercaps are functionally worthless for sov warfare, there is going to be more than enough isk in everyones pockets to spend any amount of isk needed. The balance in their use must be mechanical. Killing a titan can be very profitable...
but uh... hmm
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rsantos wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Mario Putzo wrote: There is absolutely nothing stopping you from committing Capitals and Super Capitals to a fight in FozzieSov. Of course fighting ships and fighting structures is a much different risk, and most folks will shy away from fielding their big toys against things that will shoot back and actually try to kill them.
If you cannot be bothered to come attack my 2 billion ISK Dreadnoughts, who are stuck in siege mode and cannot run away at all, then perhaps you don't deserve to hold your space? See what I did there? When people commit Dreadnoughts, they are throwing down a 2B ISK asset and saying, "come at me, bro." Fighting structures with Dreadnoughts requires way more balls than bringing your kiting fleet and orbiting some structure while waiting to see what shows up (and burning off grid if you cannot handle it). You know full and well that unless I am part of a blob the size of CFC, there is no way I am able to field the five fleets of capital ships which would be required to successfully employ capitals in Trollsov. Not to mention the 400% time increase for using capitals. So, no, capitals don't have a sensible role in Trollsov. I would just like to point that ANYTHING that ends up limiting mobility, hull choice or the ability to disengage, will make n+1 a must and in the end you will have your trollsov dreads. That what CFC wants! You just said it! No one will out blob you. Don't worry, you can continue using the interceptors you do now, they will definitely have max mobility, what with fastest warp, fastest align, interdiction nullification.
This thread has already been used to convince ccp that the sov laser concept is the ideal instrument to shake up sov (you could just add even more fatigue**, but this is more elegant).
Any ship with big tank shouldn't be allowed to use the sov laser, it's an option that has the most value to blobbers (specifically blobbers with blobs of big-tank ships, ie: supercaps) and therefore shouldn't be allowed to exist.
**remember how much fatigue was a major success in shaking up null?
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Yes, our 0.0 nightmare will be shattered
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Miner Hottie wrote:Um we Goonswarm, live in Deklein, which has some of the highest sov indexs in all of null sec, we live the **** out our space. The ability to properly live and rat in our space causes the system sprawl you see. Ratting in a system below 0.6 is generally bad. Hence we rarely bother with them unless one of our more autistic memebrs rats rally points for the 6 of 10 escalation. If this was properly addressed (and some of fozzies comments about null sec income lead me to believe he won't touch it because its "fine") then the sprawl will continue with remaining systems held for completeness or left a wasteland. A wasteland would definitely be a shakeup of sov.
But there's other ways to make a wasteland, that also make you cry.
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